JOHNB is looking to start the week on a winning note on Monday and is advising doubles and a trebles among his picks.

October is now a 18.93pt loss after our man drew a blank on Sunday but there's still plenty time to turn it around.

Johnb's Monday Tips

Salisbury 2:50
Secret Sense 11-2 NB Bet365

Girling 15-2 Bet365

Sedgefield 4:10
Optical High 25-1 NAP Ladbrokes

Also 3 x 0.5 point doubles & 1 x 0.5 point treble 11-2 15-2 20-1 Bet365

Optical High (nap)
Johnb says: “Optical High is my Nap because he is a horse that has desperately been needing further than he has been running. Trainer is in decent form & it’s no coincidence that Optical High steps up in distance when he is on a low handicap mark and with a claimer on board. I would like to see the jockey try to make all and turn this race into a stamina test.”

  1. Bobajob 3 years ago

    Johnny is highland lodge worth a fair punt tomorrow? Know uve been impressed with it before

  2. Wato 3 years ago

    Johnb posted this earlier. Doesn’t have to post reasoning for tips cause we all know he has his reasons and thoughts behind each one but still great to see them when he does

    “Optical High is my Nap because he is a horse that has desperately been needing further than he has been running, trainer is in decent form & it’s no coincidence that Optical High steps up in distance when he is on a low handicap mark & with a claimer on board
    I would like to see the jockey try to make all and turn this race into a stamina test”

  3. Johnb 3 years ago

    Bobajob I thought about tipping Highland Lodge because he really well handicapped now

  4. Dariusz 3 years ago

    Now that’s bold tipping :)

    Timeform comments:

    Secret Sense (3 out of 5 stars): Once-raced filly. Caught the eye on pedigree and showed ability on debut at Kempton (7f) 21 days ago before finishing eighth of 14. Better to come but likely to need a stiffer test.
    Form: 8
    Race commentary: 6f 212y. GALE SONG pulled clear of the remainder when a good second at Newmarket last month, and is taken to go one better this time. Rostova was fourth on debut in the same event, and looks the biggest danger, with Blue Moon Rising next best.

    Girling (3 out of 5 stars): Foaled February 23. Rock of Gibraltar filly. Closely related to 9f winner Galaxy and half-sister to smart winner up to 1¼m Gibeon. Dam 1½m-1¾m winner. Trainer going well.
    Form: no history.
    Race commentary: 6f 212y. KAKASHAN shaped with plenty of promise on debut at Haydock recently, really motoring home once the penny had dropped. This extra furlong will suit, and open to significant improvement, she is taken to get off the mark at the second attempt. Dutch Destiny also shaped well on debut, and is feared most, ahead of Nicarra, who looks a likely type on paper.

    Optical High (2 out of 5 stars): Made the frame twice over hurdles in 2013, but well held all 3 starts since returning from a lengthy absence in July.
    Form: B43/665
    Race commentary: 3m 3f 9y. TOKYO JAVILEX gained reward for a consistent spell when opening his account over hurdles at Fontwell 9 days ago, and remains with handicap scope based on his chase form. Apache Pilot returns from a break for an in-form yard, while Solway Trigger remains unexposed.

  5. Dariusz 3 years ago

    Scott, the thread’s been tagged incorrectly as Football Tips.

  6. Donny 3 years ago

    Salisbury 520 – scrutinise 7/4 nap/nb

  7. JonnyUTD 3 years ago

    Nap each way or to win? at them odds I assume each way?

  8. Jonny0902 3 years ago

    2:40 se- AMUSE ME…..4/1…..NAP
    4:50 sal – INTRIGUE…..13/2….NB

    Singles and double

  9. Gaff123 3 years ago

    How do you edit your profile pic on this?

  10. Haggis 3 years ago

    INTRIGUE non runner Johnny Utd?have you another NB please pal?have been following your horses as I do of every tipster on here big shouts for all the tipsters-John b,Dougherty c,Alan m,busstop,boz,Davy b,Duncan,Garfo,and all the other tipsters I have probably forgot,brilliant site keep up the good work chaps,p.s I wish I could tip them like you all

  11. davyb 3 years ago

    dutch destiny 3.20 sal
    brutus 330win
    highland lodge 3.40sed
    scrutinise 5.20sal

  12. andy 3 years ago

    1.50 salisbury – meroula 9/2 nap
    2.20 salisbury – custom 8/1 nb
    2,50 salisbury – gale song 6/4 for a trixie

  13. edgeman 3 years ago

    Engleberg 15:30 Windsor. Extra distance will suit this horse and I’m reliably informed it’s nailed on for a place at least. Current odds around 13/2.

  14. De Niro 3 years ago

    14-00 Windsor
    Cee Jay 11/4 ladbrokes

    15-30 Windsor
    Noblest 2/1 ladbrokes nap/nb

    on singles and the double also ;-)

  15. Alanm 3 years ago

    Nap Mobsta 4/1 4.20 Salisbury
    NB Candella5/1 5.30 Windsor
    Gold Star Rosie Royce 8/1 2.30 Windsor
    Good luck all
    Haggis thanks hope to find you plenty more with the rest of the guys and girls.

  16. Alanm 3 years ago

    Here is one for a £1 E/W
    MAX BEDDOW 66/1 2.00 WINDSOR

  17. jimron12 3 years ago

    Nap court of law 4.40
    nb srutinise 5.20

    Johnb treble aswell

    Busy today not had a chance to look

  18. augusto 3 years ago

    1:50….white shaheen ….nap
    4:50…..hit list …..nb

    double . money in the bank

  19. davyb 3 years ago

    brutus 3.30 win
    highland lodge 3.40 sed
    dutch destiny 3.20 sal
    scrutinise 5.20 sal

  20. double carpet 3 years ago

    Morning all

    Pretty uninspiring stuff today so just a very small specluative ew bet for me today

    LOULOUMILLS 25/1 2.40 sedgefield

    Beaten 18 3/4L by LAMOOL here 2 starts ago and that horse is rated 134. Louloumills makes hcap debut off 87 with a 7lb claimer onboard. Trainer is also bang in form winning with 3 of his last 6 horses and in a race that looks wide open he could spring a suprise (or come last)!!

    Best of luck to all

  21. davyb 3 years ago

    add one more blue moon rising 2.50 sal

  22. Busstop 3 years ago

    Morning all

    Just 2 bets today for me


    15.40. MIAS ANTHEM
    16.40 SENDIYM

    Gl all

  23. Haggis 3 years ago

    MOBSTA 4.20 Salisbury from BOZ’s dog walking mate,lol

  24. azz the wigan 3 years ago

    meroula 1.50 ew trust the man 2.20 ew devonshire place ew

  25. azz the wigan 3 years ago

    5.00 devonshire place

  26. Bobman 3 years ago

    Haggis where did boz say that?

  27. JonnyUTD 3 years ago

    Not sure I can trust Highland lodge after last time, but the quality is there and it’s only a matter of time. Maybe that should be the one to be on

  28. Haggis 3 years ago

    He always used to say it as he lives near haydock bobman just another word for a big whisper I presume?

  29. The Postman 3 years ago

    3:40 Sedgfield – Highland Lodge (Nap)
    4:20 Salisbury – Highland Colori (NB)
    4:40 Sedgfield – Sendiym (Nnb)

  30. Alanm 3 years ago

    Bobman Boz is on holiday

  31. Hollywood Rainham 3 years ago

    £1 each way patent pays over a thousand if all 3 win. I’m happy if a couple get in there. 3 to place is a good win.

  32. Haggis 3 years ago

    That’s why I follow you Jonny brilliant picking thank you SIR

  33. Jonny0902 3 years ago


    3:50 sal- no 12 new nb

  34. Kendog 3 years ago

    FFS 2nd again!
    No feckin luck here at all

  35. OriaZ 3 years ago

    Aye bad luck with 2 second places for Johnb.
    Let’s hope the NAP turns it around!

  36. HELEN 3 years ago

    Maybe i wont 410 sedge
    Berland 500 winds
    Gluk all.

  37. TheHawk 3 years ago

    3 Places would do me on my ew Trixie. At them prices always best with ew.

  38. rensen 3 years ago

    4.00 Windsor Deeds Not Words E/W 7/1
    3 places 1/4 odds

  39. busstop 3 years ago

    MIAS ANTHEM wins 7/2 great start hope the other one wins now

    gl all

  40. Apatel 3 years ago

    Cmon optical high !!!!

  41. Hollywood Rainham 3 years ago

    2 places. 1 more please fingers crossed.

  42. rensen 3 years ago

    Booooom Deeds Not Words Wins :)

  43. Paul Durcan 3 years ago

    ahhhh just missed a place

  44. Apatel 3 years ago

    Unlucky johnb-tomorrow is another day

  45. Phil 3 years ago

    Jesus how unlucky

  46. baldy45 3 years ago

    Good effort that, JohnB. Made a small profit after taking 4/1 on a place (4 places) at betfair.

  47. Jacksonator 3 years ago

    Gutted, had the doubles and triple ew – just nosed out and WH only paying 3! Thats cost me a few quid, it had a great run thought it would hold on

  48. baldy45 3 years ago

    the famous exchange that is (thanks forum censor)

  49. Nosed out 3 years ago

    Me too Jacksonator. Had the doubles and trebles each way. Had the nap e/w too. Would have been £400 back if he’d nicked 3rd, but ended up with £27 (from £100 staked on all three). So close to turning around the bad run, but now I’ve almost exhausted the betting fund. Come on JohnB – give us some crackers for tomorrow.

  50. Jimron12 3 years ago

    Nap was poor aswell! Second place he should of nailed that race!

    NB to save the day then!

  51. luigi 3 years ago

    devonshire place 17:00 nap/NB

  52. Jacksonator 3 years ago

    I’m going to be sore about John B’s nap for a few days I think – would have got me a fair amount on the ew doubles and treble. Still, move on and good luck all those having a bet tonight, here’s to tomorrow John B

  53. Paul Durcan 3 years ago

    nice pick luigi

  54. luigi 3 years ago

    thanks to my uncle!! i am waitng for one more tip for the last race!

  55. swfc 3 years ago

    Sum good winners today. Thank you everyone

  56. luigi 3 years ago

    candella full house!

  57. jammydodger22 3 years ago

    Johnb does it again! Thats lose every race! Has anyone noticed the second he gets behind he starts putting big priced horses on? Stick to picking winners not big prices to get out of trouble!

  58. Rorywhite91 3 years ago

    Make sure younger your uncles tip up luigi :)

  59. Jonny0902 3 years ago

    RENNIE MACKINTOSH 5:30 w 12/1 ew

  60. luigi 3 years ago

    i hope candella win! big bet

  61. Alanm 3 years ago

    dear dear

  62. Jonny0902 3 years ago

    Cheers haggis mate I havnt been able to get on,
    9/2 winning nap very nice!!!

  63. Wato 3 years ago

    Jammydodger22 no we haven’t.

    Not sure if you were around in August when Johnb landed one of these trebles for big profits. The next day it was another 3 horses and doubles and treble. If he was only interested in “looking after the figures” he could have had one short priced selection but didn’t because he fancied all 3 horses again. Ridiculous comment and if you think he is in trouble try adding up the yearly figures and post again.

  64. Johnb 3 years ago

    October 23.93 point loss

    Tuesday’s Tips

    Maljaa 1/1 NAP/NB bet365 hills

    Kristjano 5/2 bet365

    Maljaa & Kristjano 6/1 bet365

  65. Johnb 3 years ago

    Just a word about today’s horses which I stand by,
    Said it before it’s never nice losing but I have to say all three today were given every chance, not good enough but all three were trying.
    If I had one negative it would be for the Nap who I said yesterday I hoped would make the running and I just thought the race wasn’t run at a good enough pace to make I a real stamina test but saying that, I think it was Optical High’s best run to date

  66. Johnb 3 years ago

    Maljaa (NAP/NB)
    Straight to the point here as not a lot to say but this horse will win group races, no doubt about it.
    Up until his last three runs he was a good horse but since the blinkers were fitted he has gone to the next level and sometimes that’s all it takes to focus the horse on the job in hand

  67. T84uk 3 years ago

    Hi just a random question. I’m going to Cheltenham next year for the gold Cup day. I would like to know is there a maximum bet limit the trackside bookies have? Actually goes for any trackside bookie to they have single bet limits? Thanks

  68. Johnb 3 years ago

    T84uk the bigger the meeting the easier it is to place big bets
    At Cheltenham bookies will easily take 5 figure bets
    Some bookies will go into the hundreds of thousands & if you have a million just hunt out Julie Williams because just like her father she will take any bet

    A lot of the smaller meetings some bookies will take £500
    Some more and some less

  69. T84uk 3 years ago

    Lol thanks johnb. Doubt I’ll be betting a million unless I win the lottery between now and March. Also Keep the tips coming for us been some great tipping this year.

  70. PeteT 3 years ago

    John – I have to say I was pleasantly pleased with all three races today. I dont think any horse let us down (based on their prices) and a little luck with any of them would have produced a positive return.

    Not many days where I lose 5 points but feel quite pleased with how the horses ran.

    Good luck for tomorrow – money already coming in for both horses so early bets essential me thinks :)

  71. Johnb 3 years ago

    A story about the Great Freddie “Fearless Williams” from a few years ago

    Bookmaker Freddie Williams may have a weak heart, but not a weak will, that’s for sure. You know how the saying goes; ‘whenever there’s a will, there’s a way’, well that’s Freddie.
    He is above all a survivor. He’s a fighter, a grafter. It’s remarkable to think that a man who spent 30 years working in a factory and underwent quadruple heart surgery can still thrive on the highs and lows of Cheltenham’s merciless betting ring.

    Even after being the victim of a violent robbery following one of the worst day’s laying he’d ever had at his beloved Cheltenham Festival, Williams says he was just ‘shaken’ but not stirred.

    “I was more concerned about what my family said afterwards than the robbers hacking away at the windows with the crowbars. We only had a hundred grand on us, as I’d lost eight hundred to JP earlier on”.

    He is of course referring to his biggest client, friend and in many ways kindred spirit, JP McManus.

    Thankfully time has helped to dilute the memory of that fateful day two years ago, when a group of thugs wearing balaclavas ram-raided Williams’ Jag and practically smashed his face in, whilst his daughter lay screaming in the back.

    Williams was dubbed ‘Fearless’, but not because of his calm handling of the muggers, it was long before that, for holding his nerve during some of the most monumental betting battles between him and the heftiest hitters out there.
    Though his nickname runs deeper than just a label for arguably the biggest layer in the ring, it’s a true reflection of his real character. For whether Freddie is sick, sorry, down, or almost out, he never changes his attitude, an attribute which he says had until recently kept his marriage together for 30 years.

    “I’m always the same, up, or down, it makes no difference. You have to be able to take the rough with the smooth, or you wouldn’t have any friends, or family. And you’ve got to be hungry for it.”

    He’ll turn 65 this year, and although there’s still plenty of life in him yet, he admits that retirement will happen one day.
    His daughter Julie is his right-hand woman but he’s not sure she wants to work the pitch like he does.

    “She’s never been as hungry for it.” (He doesn’t mean mentally). “I had to work just to feed myself.”

    Williams was born and raised in Cunnock, in the mining district of Ayrshire. At 15 he was headed down the pits like his father and grandfather before him, but a bone disease prevented him from doing so, instead he went to work in a nearby lemonade factory.

    “There was nothing to do then but work and gamble. There were no TVs, so we would bet on pitch n’ toss,… when you throw two pennies up in the air. We were at it from dusk till dawn.”

    As a teenager Williams was keen to learn the trade and started as a bookies runner, hiking from the salts pits to the station and back, clocking up 13 miles so punters could get on. He opened his first book at Auchinleck Greyhound track in the late sixties, but a lack of dogs to race and a rise in unemployment soon put pay to that. Fortunes changed at the factory though, and a workforce buy-out meant he could afford his first racecourse pitch at Ayr in 1974. Musselburgh, Hamilton and Perth followed.

    “I worked in the factory during the days when there was no racing and then the racecourse for evening meetings and Saturdays, that way I had no holidays. I loved it”. He recalls.

    Flush from success and now metaphorically ‘hungry’ for more, Freddie opened seven betting shops in the late 1970s, from which he watched the Cheltenham Festival, still having never been. In 1978 he decided to put his name on the list for a pitch, he was 122nd in line. It seemed hopeless at the time, as pitches were only handed down through generations, and if your father wasn’t a bookmaker you were effectively stuffed.

    The factory that ultimately provided him with his first real start as a bookie, also gave him his first fortune. He sold his share in ‘Curries’, which made him a millionaire and he invested the cash in his own venture, a bottled water company, named ‘Caledonian Clear’.

    Now it was racing’s turn to make him a million. Williams didn’t have to wait long, because in 1999 reformation meant that pitches could be bought by unrelated individuals. Not one to let the dust settle, just months after brushing off a quadruple heart bypass, Freddie forked out £90,000 for pitch number 2 at Cheltenham.

    “I got loads of get well cards after I bought the pitch, not the operation. I think they thought I had finally cracked, I’d lost it, but there’s no place on earth like Cheltenham and that’s where I wanted to be.”

    And that’s where Williams met McManus. Two of a kind, they are both softly spoken and share the same entrepreneurial spirit. They had modest upbringings, are the sons of labourers, first plying their trades as bookies at greyhound tracks. One made his fortune trading foreign currency and punting, the other by lemonade and bookmaking. It’s no wonder they get on, even though they take each other on.

    And no one really knows the score between them.

    Not wasting any time the pair got stuck into a head to head at Williams’ first Festival in 1999. JP got off to a one nil start. His Shannon Gale was fourth behind Generosa. Freddie paid him £175,000. It could have been far worse. It could have won, costing him £900,000. He levelled the score the next day, big time by laying Nick Dundee at 11/8, holding the price firmly for the Royal and Sun Alliance Chase. Owned by the Magniers, Nick Dundee was well fancied and well backed by JP and several other ‘faces’, of which Williams says there are currently 20 in the ‘Festival’ ring, staking fifty to a hundred grand a bet.

    “One punter had eighty grand on with me. John McCririck starred in disbelief as I kept the price at 11/8.
    So this punter went again at a hundred grand, no change, then again at eighty grand.
    You have to take a view, and I took the view the horse couldn’t win. He fell 3 out and returned 5/4.”

    You can be sure that JP got his money back off Freddie in a ding-dong tussle that has lasted ever since, including outside of the Festival.

    “I paid out £800,000 on Lingo, one hundred grand each way at 7-1. He was an ex-Ramsden horse that had won twice as a novice, went lame, and had two years off. He shouldn’t have won but he bolted up in the Greatwood Hurdle, never to be seen again. Only three people knew that horse was going to win, the trainer, the jockey and JP.”

    The following spring things were looking brighter. On the Tuesday of Cheltenham, Williams left with £600,000, on the Wednesday, £400,000.

    The Thursday of Cheltenham 2006, Lady Luck had completely turned her back on him and he was cleaned out, he lost a million.

    “JP bet £100,000 on Reveillez to win the first. I laid it. Then he had £5,000 each-way on Kadoun at 50/1 in the last.
    They both won. Two hours later I was robbed.”

    Anyone made of lesser stuff than Freddie may have cracked that day, but the small man with a fragile heart, wearing cracked spectacles, went back to Cheltenham the next year, and the next…. Nothing could keep him away. The only difference now is he flies in by helicopter – and this year he could be going there as an owner too thanks to promising hurdler Donaldson, his first horse for 20 years, who has an entry in both the Supreme and Ballymore Properties Novices’ Hurdles.

    But despite all the success, Williams never forgets that he started with nothing, and that means he’s prepared to lose. Just like his pal JP, the ‘Sundance Kid’, who stood to ‘lose it all’ (some say), on Dawn Run in the 1986 Gold Cup, but won big. They are as gracious when losing as they are when winning.

    He pauses and adds: “I work hard and study form, watch the racing, and then watch the big backers in the ring, and see what they know, against what I know. It’s a pitching of wits, yours against theirs. That’s what I love.”

  72. Baz 3 years ago

    I johnb Freddie would take that at Cheltenham, but iv heard of Freddie knocking back £100 bets on the dogs at shawfield, II used to bet in his shop in auchinleck and to be fair I think Julie has let it slip a bit

  73. Johnb 3 years ago

    Baz I think she has other people running the bookie side for her now and she organises preview night for cheltenham

  74. Baz 3 years ago

    Yeah I think that John, do you use the shops at all John? Thanks to her father she has the best pitch at cheltenham! Do you attend the preview night John?

  75. Big gee 3 years ago

    A really interesting read that thanks johnb

  76. Baz 3 years ago

    Duncan can I have your email please m8

  77. Duncan Poundcake 3 years ago

    Baz ,Johnb,Julie is in the shop regularly and her sister has a Bookies shop just along the road in Catrine although after Freddie passed away they don’t speak.
    Freddie used to tell a story about an Irish punter at Cheltenham who handed him a plastic bag full of cash to cover 20 grand on each of the 20 races as it was in those days, so he wouldn’t fritter it away before the 3 days were over.
    And the poor punter didn’t have one winner .

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