I'M staying away from the racing thread at the moment but I assume there was a bit of love in the air after Johnb's nap won.

He tipped Winter Queen at 2-1 in the 7.25 at Kempton and must feel like a king for the day after his recent trials and tribulations.

The good news for his followers is he feels Thursday's pick is an even stronger while for his NB he is going against the 2-5 favourite even though the favourite has the best recent form. Must make sense to our man.

Johnb's Thursdays Tips

Stratford 3.25
Movementneverlies 7-2 Bet365

Ffos Las 4.35
William Hogarth 11-10 NAP Bet365

Fontwell 4.50
Amroth Bay 7-2 NB Bet365

William Hogarth (NAP)

Today's Nap looks good in every sense. Last time out was his first run under trainer Brian Ellison & although well backed that day was still a decent 2nd although he really should have won but was given a lot to do by the jockey.

William Hogarth that day was also running over a distance that was too short & today's extra 4f is just what's needed. William Hogarth was rated 130 over hurdles 3 years ago & when last seen over hurdles he was down to 92 but with only a rating of 45 on the flat today he should take all the beating in what is a very weak race.

I am also taking into account this horse improving & some might find it strange a 9 year old can improve but it's all down to the trainer. In Brian Ellison we have a trainer who can get more out of horse when they first move to his yard.

He gets a lot of horses that are running bad & he is a master at transforming them. We also have Richard Hughes on board & it's an eyecatching booking that doesn't happen often.

All in all with William Hogarth we have a horse on a mark of 45 on softish ground at 1 mile 4 furlongs. With Hughes riding in a weak race this has to be William Hogarth's best chance yet & it would be a major shock if this horse didn't win – but shocks do happen.

Good luck everyone.

  1. DeAndre 4 years ago


  2. cooldude 4 years ago


  3. Recoba1980 4 years ago


  4. double carpet 4 years ago

    Quite a few fancies tomorrow and some are at decent prices too.
    will sleep on it and decide what to do in the morning but one that jumps out at me is

    Stratford 2.20 mile house

    Looked all over the winner last time before his saddle slipped and he ran out. He’s up against a potentially decent sort in Shah of persia tomorrow but has experience under his belt

  5. Deeman 4 years ago

    From double carpet
    Just with regards to your nb
    I backed van galen last week at 14/1 and he ran a cracker. Ok he ended 3rd but stayed on strongly and is receiving 18lbs from the fav
    Just wondering how you rate his chances in the race as I’m inclined to go with him again at decent odds

    Yeah I liked the look of Von Galen too DC

    Would be nice to hear johns opinion

  6. SAL 4 years ago

    nice nap yesterday John nice to shove it right up that jambo roaster :)

  7. Wato 4 years ago

    From the “pretty reliable source” again for today guys it is

    5.10 LINGFIELD
    OSCAR’S JOURNEY 5/1 Bet365

  8. cooldude 4 years ago

    John b, are you not worried it may finish a lot closer between the top 2 in your nap race??

  9. Dr Greenthumb 4 years ago

    DeAndre, it gives him another life as he goes into stump mode.

    Mon the Hogarth!!

  10. big will 4 years ago

    I was on John B’s Nap. Was my choice and it paid well.
    Fair play JB
    I do find it curious though that when he does tip a horse that gets beat there are the usual suspects slating him or criticizing, and i must say they seem to take delight in doing this to promote themselves and there own records. But if he gets a good winner they are nowhere to be seen.

    People in glass houses and all that.

  11. DeAndre 4 years ago


  12. johnb 4 years ago

    Cooldude just think Nap is a good bet on old jumps form is on a low handicap mark step up in distance & should have won last time
    It could be close between the rest of them but on a mark of 45 there should only be one winner
    Just doing a write up now

  13. johnb 4 years ago

    William Hogarth (NAP)
    Todays Nap looks good in every sence
    Last time out was his first run under trainer Brian Ellison & although well backed that day was still a decent 2nd although he really should have won but was given a lot to do by the jockey
    William Hogarth that day was also running over a distance that was too short & todays extra 4f is just whats needed
    William Hogarth was rated 130 over hurdles 3 years ago & when last seen over hurdles he was down to 92 but with only a rating of 45 on the flat today he should take all the beating in what is a very weak race
    I am also taking into account this horse improving & some might find it strange that a 9 year old can improve but its all down to the trainer
    In Brian Ellison we have a trainer that can get more out of horse when they first move to his yard
    He gets alot of horses that are running bad & he is a master at transforming them
    We also have Richard Hughes onboard & its an eyecatching booking that doesnt happen often

    All in all with William Hogarth we have a horse on a mark of 45 on softish ground at 1 mile 4 furlongs
    With Hughes riding in a weak race
    This has to be William Hogarths best chance yet & it would be a major shock if this horse didnt win but shocks do happen

  14. johnb 4 years ago

    Deeman & Double Carpet
    Van Galen is a hard horse to win with or even catch right
    Runs so many bad races nut could go well if on a going day but we dont know

  15. theman 4 years ago

    i doing pretty bad -8 for every 1 bet you put on if following my tips lol let see if i can improved.Think i stick to races that have decent money in then.pretty much i suck just pointing out you hav a look yourself and seee what you think


    WANNABE BETTER won a group 3 same distace similar ground.Think he over priced at 12/1.This also a group3 race so should be there about

  16. Duncan Poundcake 4 years ago

    Interested in Pull the pin 7.50 but wait for rain which is forecast before deciding

  17. boz 4 years ago

    hi guys poor day yesterday well done any who picked winners

    st 4.25 WEST END 11/8

    fl 5.05 LE MAITRE CHAT 5/2 NB

    fo 2.40 ACCESSALLAREAS 15/8 NAP

    good luck all

    happy days

    • ticketyboo 4 years ago

      Morning boz hard picking winners this week so far yet last week we could do no wrong,maybe they will come back today. I am on to that trixie so good luck.

      • boz 4 years ago

        hi tickety yeah we had a couple of good weeks mate swings and roundabouts as they say will take a look at your if you put up

        good luck

  18. Mitch Tenerife 4 years ago

    John b going to my local track Hamilton is there any on card you might fancy a bet on?

  19. Dave 4 years ago

    Wato did your sources tip come off before

  20. double carpet 4 years ago

    Morning all
    a poor day yesterday was saved by deceit winning at 8/1 last night
    On to today and quite a few fancies but here are my best 3

    Stratford 2.20 mile house 7/4 nb

    Stratford ulis de vasey 9/4 nap

    Stratford 3.55 seaside shuffle 16/1 ew

    Best of luck to all today

  21. jimba 4 years ago

    Johnb your nap is pro-bet in daily mirror!!

  22. Bill 4 years ago

    Main bets for me today will be JohnB Nap and small wager on Forest Glen E/W Fros Las 2.30

    Good luck to everyone today

  23. johnb 4 years ago

    Its good to see the money coming for the Nb Amroth Bay now 2/1 but as low as 6/4
    McCoy on favourite 2/5 last night now as big as 5/6
    Could we get flip floping favourites its hard to imagine but if the money continues you never know

  24. johnb 4 years ago

    Mitch Tenerife 6:20 Scottish Strand 11/4
    6:50 In Vino Veritas 4/1

    It looks an easy race for Showtime Star in 7:20 but 8/11 too short for me mate

    Enjoy your night

  25. Wato 4 years ago

    Dave they do normally do pretty well I’ve only really started sharing them on here yesterday the main tip won

  26. DelC 4 years ago

    Boz ur naps a non runner mate

  27. Napper valley 4 years ago

    Too many bets yesteday but all but one gave me a good run for my money and I doubled up on my strong pick plus had jb so in profit.

    May seem strange but aslong as I can see the horse was a worthy pick i don’t mind loosing, not long term though of course.

    Nap ling 18.10 moonvoy 13/8

  28. mregnid 4 years ago

    Just for info, you may have noticed already but JP Shanahan has sent 3 horses over to FFos Las from Ireland and has R Hughes booked on all of them. Would be surprised if none of these 3 came in.

    Ffos Las 3.00
    Split the atom 13/8

    Ffos las 3.35
    Helens Armada 11/4

    Ffos Las 4.05
    Prince Jock 9/1

  29. mregnid 4 years ago

    And he also has Dolce N Karama in the 5.05 Ffos Las! Hughes again.

  30. Benman 4 years ago

    My nap, Slim Chance 2:00 Carlisle, was beaten by a neck by an 18/1 who hadn’t registered a win yet which is really frustrating when I only choose to post tips I really like and had got it at 7/2 when the horse went off at 2/1! Still, managed to get on Little Shambles and John’s nap for a day of decent profit so shouldn’t complain. Just a neck away from a REALLY good day!

    Having trouble with today’s nap as Adam Kirby rides on its main challenger Reach The Beach for the first time. Only been raised 3lb for coming second over C&D a couple of weeks ago and Kirby is my lucky jockey. I’ll no doubt still follow John to the end though. Let’s have two naps in a row to smash the doubters.

  31. boz 4 years ago

    My nap is now a non runner. I studied this race and thought the one danger to my nap was
    Giant omurchu. So that is now my advice

    Good luck

  32. ticketyboo 4 years ago

    Good morning racing fans as with most yesterday was a poor day, if you managed to select 1 or more winners yesterday good for you.

    3:00 Ffos Las “SPLIT THE ATOM” 6/4 bet365

    Last run disputed lead with 2 others till took lead 2f out challenged final furlong beaten half a length.

    6:20 HAMILTON “COINCIDENTLY 0/30 bet365

    Last run disputed 2nd of 4 runners took clear 2nd 4f out took lead 2f out clear won by 12 lengths.

  33. Mitch Tenerife 4 years ago

    Thanks John b .

  34. Napper valley 4 years ago

    One more for me so here are my bets (plus jbs nap)

    1pt staked
    NB 18.15 belle point if rescue 10/1 b365
    2pt stakes
    Nap ling 18.10 moonvoy 13/8

  35. DeAndre 4 years ago

    Hamilton 5:50 Paddys Rock 3/1 (NAP)

    Backed this last time and it did me proud so hopefully it gets away a little better and the way it finished last time suggests this trip should be fine, if not better than fine :-D

  36. Harley 4 years ago

    4.05 fflos

    Sweet martoni 12/1

    Needs soft ground so hopefuly the ground stays soft .

    I think it’s got a good ew chance .

  37. Benman 4 years ago

    Ffost Las 17:05 Le Maître Chat (NAP)

    Excellent pedigree, softer ground to suit and step back up in trip should be very welcome.

    Good luck all

  38. DeAndre 4 years ago

    I just hope it’s a good winner this time ;-)

  39. Dave 4 years ago

    Hey deAndre your nap has gone to 9/2 any idea why?

  40. DeAndre 4 years ago

    Because it’s my NAP, so all the smart money is going on literally every other horse haha :-D

  41. Dave 4 years ago

    Lol your mad DeAndre but I am still jumping on board too, might add it with Benmans nap Le Maître Chat for a double delight

    Cheers Fellas

  42. azz the wigan 4 years ago

    why not now 2.30 accesallareas 2.40 ill try these today

  43. double carpet 4 years ago

    Nice start to the day mile house wins!!!

  44. Hiphopkins 4 years ago

    good shout Boz on 2.40 Giant omurchu, thanks!

  45. Hamish75 4 years ago

    Great start ti the day doublecarpet keep pickin ktf

  46. double carpet 4 years ago

    Nice one boz
    was On it anyway even before the withdrawal

  47. double carpet 4 years ago

    Got word for quarton 5.45 bellewstown currently 11/4

    Fingers crossed!!

  48. Hamish75 4 years ago

    Another nap fir boz topman. Have u heard fi swany ktf

  49. TheBuzz 4 years ago

    3:15 you’ve been mowed

  50. jimmybeee 4 years ago

    Winners coming in already good could be a good day good luck to all

  51. Matt 4 years ago

    I’m on all of yours today double carpet mate ;) just lumped on that 5:45 too thanks and gl!!!

  52. TheBuzz 4 years ago

    NAP 3:45 Fontwell
    Rendl Beach 5/2

    Goes well first up, has won at the track & has experience at the distance

  53. double carpet 4 years ago

    Hopefully Matt
    Fingers crossed

  54. alec 4 years ago

    dont think hughes had has a winner yet hope his 1st john b nap

  55. TheBuzz 4 years ago

    Rendl beach Fell at the last in front. Harsh.

  56. jimmybeee 4 years ago

    Think the horse might have been put down any word looked a bad one

  57. kenneth 4 years ago

    Things seem a bit happier on the racing thread today .long may it continue .on your nap John b

  58. double carpet 4 years ago

    Seaside shuffle sp 20/1 4th
    unlucky or what
    ah well

  59. mregnid 4 years ago

    Rajeh 7.10 Lingfield
    Rock Band 5.50 Hamilton

    Both travelled a long way to race. Seem a reasonable e/w punt.

    • mregnid 4 years ago

      Rock Band 2nd at 13/2, called it earlier for e/w, travelled from Ireland

  60. gugs 4 years ago

    what a pathetic run, strong nap indeed. Again shows why calling a tip “strong” & a shock if he doesn’t win is absolutely absurd. I only had it in a treble but i’m sure comments like that leads to people lumping on

  61. jim burnside 4 years ago

    Gugs wot u moaning fr? It was ur choice to bet it wer u on sayn owt when nap won yesterday. Dnt gamble if u dnt like losing.

  62. Greg Browning 4 years ago

    Hard ridden 4 furlongs out gug! A horse that’s not won in sometime! Johnb saw something in it he liked though! If a horse has gone years without winning or it’s in a wide open race it’s better left alone! But I don’t know much about horses to be fair!

    I, like everyone want Johnb to do well – i just hope yesterday wasn’t just a flash pan and he can get back to finding some consistency! I’m sure it’s not for the lack of trying but take yesterday’s winner away, its been grim!

  63. Gugs 4 years ago

    Congrats Jim for missing the point of my post, bravo

    • Robski 4 years ago

      Hi, I have just checked through and almost every tipster in the country had this marked down to win. That to me would indicate that it should have a strong chance. The odds also indicated this.

      • boz 4 years ago

        robski its such a short price for the exact reasons you say every tipster picks it so everyone backs it money brings the price down but it dosent make it win.

        • Robski 4 years ago

          I agree Boz, I did it last night but checked the results of the meeting at around 4 and saw that not a single favourite had come in and in fact none had placed so was fearful. These things happen all too often in racing. Then again Swansea were 8-1 to beat Man U at the start of the season so it is not just racing.

          • boz 4 years ago

            a favourite is created by someone elses opinion paper tipsters etc if a horse is 1/2 fav in a paper people just back it without forming there own opinions then when it losses they say how can an odds on get beat i study form and try make my own mind up then i can only blame myself if i lose.

            good luck

  64. alec 4 years ago

    gugs i dont no nothing about horse raceing i dont understand the form mcoy is is why john b doesnt nap mcoy mcoy record speaks for itself

  65. boz 4 years ago

    its was well beat not jockeys fault he was riding half a mile out sure john will agree got to say i would never have touched it myself for the same reasons as greg mentions

    thats horse racing guys

  66. gus 4 years ago

    watos source tip is being well supported 5/1 into 5/2

    if freddy can get the G H then should go close

  67. NickyH 4 years ago

    Gugs and alec. If u have not been on this thread much u will no that level stakes is always advised. Lose what you can afford. If you decide to “lump” on it thats your choice.

    • boz 4 years ago

      get in LE MAITRE CHAT just won 4/1 and NAP GIANT OMURCHU won earlier 100/30

      happy days

  68. Duncan Poundcake 4 years ago

    quick one 17:10 OSCARS JOURNEY

  69. Duncan Poundcake 4 years ago

    PULL THE PIN 19:50 NAP

  70. alec 4 years ago

    nicky h i won yesterday of john b nap praised him yesterday for it i backed his nap today im just wondering after thinking about the people that watched the race did john b think it was going to win surely john b cant pick a horse that bad a race with all he nos in horse raceing

  71. Kendog 4 years ago

    I suppose a 7/2 NB still wont shut up the ‘experts’ on this thread!

  72. Duncan Poundcake 4 years ago


  73. kenneth 4 years ago

    shocking run from w Hogarth but as john b says shocks can happen you pay your money you take your chance… cest la vie onwards and upwards.

  74. johnb 4 years ago

    My NAP today was the current form pick & past form pick it looked a strong one & i said if it got beat it would be a major upset
    On paper nothing could get near it form wise but they can get beat ots annoying but its racing

    On the other hand we have my NB 7/2 last noght against what was a 2/5 favourite on last nights odds
    McCoys mount the favourite was easily the form pick but as i said a few days ago & got slated for it was i said i dont just look at current form it can get you in trouble like my Nap today
    But i also look at up coming form in other words horses that can improve & horses i think will improve
    Its not easy but after years of studying breeding & stables it is possible to get a rough idea of how much a horse can improve as seen today with my NB Amroth Bay
    On paper it couldnt win but it did by 22 lengths

    But of course i am upset & disapointed with the Nap but no excuses it just didnt run near to what it can

  75. Stormin 4 years ago

    Great shout on Amroth bay johnb

  76. Trucker 4 years ago

    Cheers for amroth bay johnb

  77. winnerallright 4 years ago

    Hey johnb, Great tipping with ur NB Amroth Bay. It beat mccoys hotpot fav. nice price of 7/2 last night too. well done

  78. kris 4 years ago

    had £25 on Le Maitre Boz you legend ! thankyou

  79. johnb 4 years ago

    Tomorrows Tips up shortly

  80. Thehawk 4 years ago

    2 out 2 soon JB 1 winner 7/2 profit profit and well done Boz always good for few winners well done guys :)

  81. kenneth 4 years ago

    waiting on duncans pull the pin for a nice payday. mile house from double c and le maître from boz…profit already pull the pin for double cream and strawberries…………

  82. double carpet 4 years ago

    Great tipping boz

  83. Duncan Poundcake 4 years ago

    No pressure then Kenneth paid at 4/1 Boz thanks again

  84. kenneth 4 years ago

    none at all Duncan. you guys post your thoughts but I decide if I put my money on therefore win or lose my decision………….

  85. Benman 4 years ago

    Lord Franklin 6:20 @ Hamilton 11/1 E/W

    2nd over C&D last month. 11/1 seems a far too big so going each way on this one.

    • mregnid 4 years ago

      Agreed, have it in an e/w patent with Rock Band (just in 2nd) and Rajeh in 7.10 Lingfield.
      Fingers crossed.

      • mregnid 4 years ago

        Benman, Lord Franklin good call for e/w, got it at 11’s, hoping for Rajeh in the 7.10 Lingfield!!

  86. johnb 4 years ago

    Like i said disapointed with Nap but noce 7/2 on my Nb
    1out of 3 today

    Fridays Tips


    Majestic Hero 13/2 bet365

    Indian Tinkler 7/2 betvictor


    Cyclone 85/40 NAP betvictor

    One for Hocky 6/4 NB betvictor paddy power

    Good luck everyone

  87. Scuzzle 4 years ago

    Well done toaday JohnB, did a back of Amroth Bay and a lay of Crannachmore Boy which worked out at 13/2 between them both.

    Nice one Boz as well, missed yours but wish I hadn’t as would have made a really good day for me.

  88. Scuzzle 4 years ago

    6.30 Tipperary Purr Along or Tested, anyone got any insight into this one?

  89. johnb 4 years ago

    Scuzzle Purr Along

    • Scuzzle 4 years ago

      Cheers JohnB

      • swany 4 years ago

        Big Pat the magic man!
        Bet Confirmation – JJ6808463810I – Internet Time of bet: 28/08/2014 09:28:57 Print
        No. Selections Event Event Date E/W Terms Odds Result
        1 Tested 6.30 Tipperary
        (Win and Each Way)
        Live Stream 28/08/2014 2 Places
        1/4 Odds 9/4 Won

  90. Scuzzle 4 years ago

    Nice one DeAndre on Paddys Rock as well, followed you in there.

  91. Napper valley 4 years ago

    Not sure if anyone got on mine today but both won at 7/1 (tipped at10/1) and 7/4 (tipped at 13/8)

    Didn’t tip it this morning but I’m also on bifocal 7.20 Hamiilton which I got at 10/3.

    Great day on the thread sadly I was flying for most of it but looks good all round.

    Roll on 7.20

  92. mregnid 4 years ago

    Rajeh 7.10 Lingfield
    Rock Band 5.50 Hamilton

    Both travelled a long way to race. Seem a reasonable e/w punt.

    Result!Both placed 2nd, 13/2 and 10/1, also thanks to Benman for Lord Franklin, nice e/w patent!!

  93. DeAndre 4 years ago

    Sorry for this being a little late but…..


    • cooldude 4 years ago

      De Andre I have to wait until after 10 on the other thread but no doubt you will hear mine a mile away :)

  94. DeAndre 4 years ago

    Haha ;-)

    Can’t be assed with the Europa League, must have lost thousands on that last year!

  95. cooldude 4 years ago

    Thousands??? De andre I know its none of my business but if you continue to bet like that your going downhill.

  96. Scuzzle 4 years ago

    Going to do the Smullen/Weld fav in the last at Tipperary, 6/4 in a 4 runner race.

  97. Thehawk 4 years ago

    Need it for treble hope u right Scuzzle :)

  98. raaljaca 4 years ago

    Zinnobar @ 9/2
    Benoordenhout @ 5/2
    Doubles, 1 bet * £100.00 28/08/2014 19:00:37

    Tipped by Jonathans Yard :)

  99. Duncan Poundcake 4 years ago

    Sorry Kenneth money came but well beaten

  100. Hamish75 4 years ago

    Deandre n napper well done consistently comin up wi winners respect guys well done ti johnb for his nb comin in been a good week missed raal,s double gutted wis that yer hot tip yer waitin on ktf

    • boz 4 years ago

      tickety thanks mate ive had a good day today

      onto tomorrow

  101. DougieC 4 years ago

    Not been on for a day or two for various reasons,but quick look through RFO and Ive picked out two of Dave Randells.which look good enough for an interest
    CHOOSETHEDAY…3.50 Thirsk
    TAWS…7.40 Salisbury

  102. Duncan Poundcake 4 years ago

    Nice to see you back dougie.

  103. DeAndre 4 years ago

    That was meant to be last few years dude, not just last year….still lost a bundle :-)

  104. DeAndre 4 years ago

    Wolverhampton 7:00 Postscript 4/1 (NB)

    Wolverhampton 8:00 Consistant 5/1 (NAP)

    No time for a sexy write up, will do it on new thread….or maybe I won’t, I dunno….. :-D

  105. John Regan 4 years ago

    I’m going to wolverhampton tomorrow birthday present for the wife as she likes ub40 who play live afterwards will look at those two deandre.

  106. DougieC 4 years ago

    Dodgy DeAndre thought a postcript came later??

  107. SAL 4 years ago

    Zinnobar @ 9/2
    Benoordenhout @ 5/2
    Doubles, 1 bet * £100.00 28/08/2014 19:00:37

    Tipped by Jonathans Yard :)


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