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Alan Thomson has a fistful of Boxing Day racing tips to KO bookmakers

CLAN DES OBEAUX (3.00) can add his name to an illustrious roll call by landing his third straight King George VI Chase at Kempton on Boxing Day.

The traditional Christmas cracker has been the preserve of multiple winners over the years, although Clan Des Obeaux has a bit to go to equal five-time winner Kauto Star, also trained by Paul Nicholls. The market is finding it hard to split the defending champion and stable companion Cyrname, runner-up 12 months ago. Stable jockey Harry Cobden sticks with Cyrname, which again opens the door for Sam Twiston-Davies to grab the headlines.

Nicholls has given Clan Des Obeaux the same prep as last year, and his second to Bristol De Mai in the Betfair Chase at Haydock improved on the previous season’s fourth place. Cyrname dispelled lingering doubts about his ability to stay three miles on a left-hand track by landing the Charlie Hall Chase at Wetherby with something in hand. However, he trailed home a tired horse in last year’s King George and it may be the case that a strongly-run three miles against top-notch opposition stretches him to breaking point.

Lostintranslation never gave his many backers any hope with a dreadful display 12 months ago and will surely do better. Cheltenham Gold Cup runner-up Santini may find this test on the sharp side but will strip sharper for his Aintree run three weeks ago.

ALNADAM (1.15) has been raised 8lb following his emphatic Sandown success but remains the one to beat in the novices’ limited handicap chase. Dan Skelton’s gelding fairly powered up the hill and should have the measure of slight class-dropper Hold The Note and JP McManus’ Mr One More.

The Skelton boys can live claims with hat-trick-seeking SHAN BLUE (1.50) in the Ladbrokes Kauto Star Novices’ Chase over three miles. The dual Wetherby scorer has a bit to find on official figures with The Cap Fits, so disappointing when unable to get to grips with Pym at Sandown in November, despite receiving 6lb.

The Cap Fits produced a much more polished display on comeback at Ffos Las when whipping useful Fidderonthehoof and is preferred to The Big Breakaway, fourth in a hot renewal of the Ballymore Novices’ Hurdle at Cheltenham in March but below-par so far this season.

At Wetherby, CANELO (2.05) can give JP McManus another notable scalp by bagging the William Hill Rowland Meyrick Handicap Chase. The Alan King-trained gelding made a winning return at Aintree before posting an excellent second to Cap Du Nord in a 16-runner handicap at Newbury. A 4lb rise is fair.

The 7f handicap at Wolverhampton looks tailor-made for in-form MISTY GREY (3.30). Tom Dascombe placed him to score comfortably over course and distance at the end of November and Misty Grey returned to the track a fortnight ago, catching Fizzy Feet on the line after being denied a clear run at the furlong pole.

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Horse Racing Tips
Clan Des Obeaux
Kempton Park - 3:00 pm

2-1 @ Ladbrokes

Alnadam
Kempton Park - 1:15 pm

3-1 @ Ladbrokes

Shan Blue
Kempton Park - 1:50 pm

15-8 @ Coral

Canelo
Wetherby - 2:05 pm

5-1 @ PaddyPower

Misty Grey
Wolverhampton - 3:30 pm

11-4 @ Bet365

127 Comments
  1. Avatar of Double carpet
    double carpet 4 years ago

    Happy Christmas to all

    Great racing to look forward to over the coming days.
    Looking forward to seeing Micro Manage in the first at leopardstown. Have him backed at 25s for the Triumph.
    I’ve had my biggest bet of the year on Asterion Forlonge at 11/10 2.35 Limerick. Should be 4/6 imo.
    I dont think the King George is a 2 horse race and Real Steel appeals at 14s ew.
    Was cantering all over the gold Cup field until running out of steam 2 out and think this trip will be right up his street. Would have needed his first run and will hopefully come on for the run

    BOL

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    • Avatar of Double carpet
      double carpet 4 years ago

      Supreme not Triumph *

    • Avatar of Deb2000
      Deb2000 4 years ago

      Completely agree on Asterion Forlonge DC same here av had a large bet as well Paul Townsend only mount at the meeting and going right handed should be right up his street 👍GL

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    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Would love to go in big on that as well but something always goes wrong E.g. just pull the horse up game over but will give the double a go for a bit more reward . Not doubting your skills .far from it . Makes you wonder when they think it’s a sure thing the odds are usually crazy short evens is enough to tempt people in but I will put down accordingly with the chance I won’t see that money again ha . Fingers crossed though

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      not desperate enough for money to ever back big on a 11/10 shot, if it’s that much of a hot pot, put it in acca as a banker, another thing is, what is a big bet to these people £20?? even if it’s £200, to risk it on that price does not suit me one big, 4×25 EW at 12s or bigger or all long.

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    • Avatar of Double carpet
      double carpet 4 years ago

      I’m far from desperate and a big bet to me is my business and certainly not yours.
      The price is irrelevant if you think its value, and I believe it is if I think a horse should be 4/6 and is 11/10 then that’s value to me.
      I dont comment on anyone else’s selections but respect their views if that’s their choice.
      Its all about opinions

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    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      I have lumped on a few of dcs winners so doesn’t owe me anything win or lose . Only thing if I were to critic is maybe saying a big stake is being bet and could be considered irresponsible by some but it’s no different than saying how many points your staking illustrating ones confidence . People need to be able to make there own mistakes and learn the lessons like most of us . If they lump and lose they won’t do it again .

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      11/10 mullins horse in 5 runner field at big race day.. im not putting people off in the slightest, ive heard it mentioned on podcasts and saw it win last time very nicely… the point was with so much racing, there’s better/bigger value found easily each and every day, no need to lump for no reason. BOL. my comments are under moderation so wont be posting tips when people are allowed to fake their death and come back as their father.

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    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      paul townsend last 5 meetings with just 1 ride now stands at just one winner, perhaps not a key tool for making a selection, bol.

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    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Glad I only ended up doing a lucky 15 in the end there was no way the bookies would lose money on a day they can make a killing but it’s no supprise more fool us . I feel more confident now with waiting patiently I know what I would rather lose my money on risk/reward with no chance of e/w backing the fav . . I would nt touch the first 2 . The fact they keep
      Going on about them like it’s going to be one or the other makes me run the other way . There all in it together ha . But will see

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Stop making me laugh . Got visions of you stood on a milk crate roaring like a lion when it fell . It is sickening but it can also go in your favour sometimes so got to take it on the chin . Ha you do like a battle of words

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    jimba 4 years ago

    Merry Christmas everyone, enjoy your day & stay safe👍🎄🎅

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Exactly insider not saying it won’t win but how many times have we been let down bookies hate giving away money for some reason my gut reason is avoid that one especially Irish racing . But as you say pop it along with your other selections your right to comment but fair play if you got the balls to lump big on a horse I would only do that if I was privileged to inside information on the bent races ha . I won’t be supprised if the favs do come in and the 2/9 is the one that lets us down .

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      game of opinions, as i just replied, can find much better value elsewhere, 300 times a year. betting large on 11/10 is pointless to me, i wont be satisfied with the reward for the risk. would rather break my stake down and find actual value and go EW 10 times on double figure prices and win some decent money. cant say boo to a goose round here though.

      hope the horse wins but silly to tell people it;s your biggest bet of the year, that could mean 2 quid for all we know and i was simply giving a view from the other side of the coin. if you are confident it wins, tell us why, with logic and valid reasoning, dont try convince us by telling us youve lumped on. a mullins/townsend hotpot in a 5 runner field… hardly gold dust

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    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Your comments have been validated so technically what you said was right easy to say now after the event but was incline to agree even though d c is no mug but you can’t beat the fixers . Where ever there is money there will be criminals in amongst it after money for nothing and your chicks for free

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Funny though I told my mates who don’t do horse racing to back that double and I was the one who ended up not betting on it haha oooops

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      just a shame the moderators hear did not allow my actual reply to be posted. not going to repeat any of the points there to try and look like the victor, was simply trying to balance the equation.

      what i will say again though is, every pro tipster suggests a level stake. and most people give logic and sound reasoning as to why a horse was picked, in stead of using their mystery biggest bet of the year stake to indicate confidence.

      lets not forget it was a novice race where the horse didnt run straight let alone jump straight last time out, and finally, as i mentioned 11/10 when you think its 4/6 is hardly value worth writing home about given the amount of racing we have shoved down our throats.

    • Avatar of Deb2000
      Deb2000 4 years ago

      Lol you just loved that horse falling.
      These things happen but once again your flinging out stats after the race is finished.
      I dont care about me but show Double carpet some respect hes been practically on this page longer than youv been born but you still need to write a book about the race to rub it in 👏👏

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      not going back and forth with morons but if you mean the stat regarding pauls one ride meetings… i posted that yday, but post didnt get by the moderators, cheers. and yes, that horse falling got the biggest cheer of the day, i had 600k on coolreevy, cheers.

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    mickmac 4 years ago

    Merry xmas everyone.

  4. Avatar of Jayell61
    Jayell61 4 years ago

    Have a lovely safe and happy Christmas everyone.

    Thank you for all those tips I missed throughout the year. Will try to pay more attention in the upcoming year.

    Have a great couple of days and good luck for tomorrow’s big races. Will be trying to get some funds to make up for the Christmas spends!

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    ew thief 4 years ago

    Merry Christmas to everyone on the thread
    Shite year but heho hopefully next one be better ❤️

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      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      I dunno if it keeps the in-laws away it can’t be bad !

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    jono5000 4 years ago

    Merry Christmas guys big love

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    Alves 4 years ago

    Wee heads up on King George, Betfair giving free fiver on this race, Cocker posted on main thread couple days ago. I’ve went for Lostintranslation

  8. Avatar of Mr. Bean123
    Mr. Bean123 4 years ago

    Big day and big tomorrow
    Waiting for elvis tip!!

    clan de obeux nap/nb
    NJ HAWKE horses go BIG ew
    Luke Morris @wolves

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      sucking eggs here too but obviously faye macmanoman and rowan scott are nigels most winning jockeys, i wont touch if i see anyone else on, he also does great around beverly so something to be aware off, BOL.

  9. Avatar of Double carpet
    double carpet 4 years ago

    One at a price in the bumper at leopardstown.
    Musta Lovea Lovea 33/1 ew
    Was 10L clear at the last when falling in his P2P.
    The horses that finished 1st and 2nd in that race both won their next P2P races.
    Might be worth a nibble at the price

  10. Avatar of Darren Sawyer
    dazzman1979 4 years ago

    Going by what’s been said already on the thread all the favs should win 2moro just can’t see the bookies giving all that money away handing a 5 fold accumulator on a plate but I would still bet on it to happen just in case as well as a few upsets which we see time and time again

  11. Avatar of Darren Sawyer
    dazzman1979 4 years ago

    Not confident with a few of them today just the one selection

    Kempton 1:15 – hold the note @ 7/1 but hopefully a few people are on fire today and can walk away with a few quid

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      If not get back on the scratch cards ! Ha

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Also patiently waiting Kempton @ 3:00 for a bit of place money at least

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      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      16/1

  12. Avatar of Darren Sawyer
    dazzman1979 4 years ago

    Puts some tips up insider your as good as anyone else on there day .it don’t matter who picks what let people make up there own mind who they choose to follow or ignore . Horse racing is a nightmare . I tend to stay away from Irish racing but will blindly back dc as he has more than proven his credentials over time bet what you like expecting the worse . I lump on more often than not rather than use the same stake money on 5 losers say . Hopefully later you can justify your confidence when it wins . Gl

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    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      have lots of other time consuming things going on atm, if i look at like something i will endeavour to do that. i know it cant be too helpful having me question everything, but sure keeps people on their toes. if no one was cracking the whip, performance levels may drop, from now on call me jurgen ;)

      as for the king george… i dont really see all being well how CDO can lose. i imagine sentiment will play a part with the trainer wanting the horse to win it 3 in a row too. looked like cyrname was there last year to pick up the pieces if anything went wrong, he may be given the race this year however… of the rest, plenty with stamina to prove too so wouldn’t back against clan, i like cyrname as a horse but he’s fell once and then cruised round wetherby in 2nd gear beating no one really, that track is far less sharp and perhaps once again he will settle for 2nd, how on earth on paper, can he overturn a 20l defeat?? CDO has had same prep as two years ago, a niggling concern as how much he was tried at haydock as apposed to 2018…… he has nothing to prove in this race so perhaps he was targeted at haydock and cheltenham in stead of winning this race again.. and that could leave things open to cyrname. at the prices 2/1 and 5/2, clan is the clear standout though but i’ll just be happy to watch top horses compete a to actually try win money from it.

      DC mentioned real steel was cantering around cheltenham, sure, but he got beaten easily when it came down to it, this is a much different race and i imagine he’ll find it hard to be dropped out and then have to come by them all.. the 2f less here means the horses will be pushed earlier so the fact he was ‘cantering’ doesnt count for anything here, he hasnt proven himself here and the race he won over 2m5f was a joke, he beat footpad, a 2 miler… the same as cyrname beating altior, a farce of a race. a decent price though no doubt. with that said there is ZERO chance that nicholls lets daryl jacob win the race ,,, its just not how i’ve experienced things. santini is in the race and has smashed real steel and is also a proven stayer, only raced at kempton once, dunno if conditions are going to be overly attritional but given how he keeps getting beat at the festival, maybe connections have targetted this?? he has lost to topofthegame though and LOST IN TRANSLATION has smashed that horse to bits…

      so there you go a wall of text without a selection ;) who knows is the answer, as i always say, 50 races a day, no need to guess unless betting at throwaway stakes…

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    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Lol you got a lot going on in your head there sir and I’m sure you do ok . I get what your saying and as long as folk don’t get personal I guess you should be allowed to instigate discussions . I’ve backed loads of selections on here that have lost even Alan’s headliners s. It is what it is no point moaning and have a go yourself hey

  13. Avatar of Darren Sawyer
    dazzman1979 4 years ago

    4:35 Wolverhampton- don’t tell DJ @ 11/1

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    dazzman1979 4 years ago

    You do make me laugh sometimes insider . I don’t mind what you say it’s just words on a phone screen I just come on choose the selections I like and say thank you very much . If people have left on your behalf then they are rather sensitive as long as you don’t get personal and speak on the topic of horses it’s no big deal if I was them I would let the winners do the talking . You should put your tips up win or lose someone might be able to take one horse from each person and get a decent accumulator . You do make people bite but your a character ha

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    double dickie 4 years ago

    Havent been on this site for couple of years . Nice to see double carpet and e/w thief still sharing , john b was main man them days . Blackbow 2.15 leop . NAP

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  16. Avatar of Elvis Parsley
    elvis parsley 4 years ago

    11-4 cross card double.
    2-35 leopardstown asterion collonges 11-10 (double carpet pick).
    2-40 wetherby Kilbrook 4-5 top 3 finish
    (At betfair).

    • Avatar of Elvis Parsley
      elvis parsley 4 years ago

      Felix desjy 2-15 leopardstown 7-4 NAP.
      Johnbb 1-28 wetherby 5-2 NB.

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    • Avatar of Elvis Parsley
      elvis parsley 4 years ago

      3-1 top 4 place double (Paddy power)

      1-15 Kempton – hold the note – evens.
      2-05 wetherby – the Dutchman – evens.

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Not John bb but two two 3 ha never mind I was on it as well . This is a big day for the bookies to earn a lot of money prob better off betting what you think won’t win but hopefully your others come in as I’m on them as well haha 😂

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    azzthewigan 4 years ago

    santini 3.00 let’s get at it 3.35 ew

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    azzthewigan 4 years ago

    if the cap fits 1.50

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    azzthewigan 4 years ago

    mr one more 1.15

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    Sore point 4 years ago

    Kempton 1.15 Killer Clown 7/1 each way

    Kempton 1.50 If The Cap Fits 5/1

    Kempton 3.00 Clan Des Obeaux 9/4

    Wetherby 2.05 Wandrin Star 9/1 each way

    Thats All Folks

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    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Well done . Looks like your on point :-)

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    Wildhorse 4 years ago

    Boxing Day / Win

    R. 4 – One Cool Poet / Leopst.

    R. 5 – Spouthf.. Harvest / Winc.

  22. Avatar of Ewthief
    ew thief 4 years ago

    Morning all
    Getareason 1.15k 15-2
    Kingson 1.45w 12-1
    Wandrin star 2.05w 8-1
    Skipthescales 2.40w 12-1
    Glan y gors 2.55w 22-1
    Saint calvados 3.00k 14-1
    Distingo 3.35k 14-1
    Ew singles & ew super hienz ☘️☘️🍺🍺gl all

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    Champion 4 years ago

    4.35 wolves..miss bella brand.E/w.santini 3.00kempton.win.1.50 kempton..the big breakaway win.GLA.

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      insider 4 years ago

      50/1 not bad lad

  24. Avatar of busstop.2018
    busstop.2018 4 years ago

    Morning All. Some good racing to watch today .But just 3 bets all day for me .

    WETHERBY

    14.05. .Canelo. .5/1

    WINCANTON

    12.59. .Momella. .7/4

    14.45. .Shang Tang. .5/1

    GL ALL

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  25. Avatar of tinmantim
    tinmantim 4 years ago

    240 wetherby mint condition 9/4

  26. Avatar of Darren Sawyer
    dazzman1979 4 years ago

    Wetherby 12:20- mill race king @ 7/1 nap/nb all the best

  27. Avatar of Double carpet
    double carpet 4 years ago

    Micro Manage pretty woeful there. Will have to rethink the Supreme

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Nothing is guaranteed we roll our dices and take our chances

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Backing favourites makes me more nervous than anything else been let down so many times those losses hurt more feeling like the bookie did his job selling something that was never going to happen just always feel your playing into there hands at the very least second fav by default . But we all go round I’m circles I’m sure ha

  28. Avatar of Darren Sawyer
    dazzman1979 4 years ago

    Get the feeling it’s going to be a bookies day with so many people off work at home to make bets they will be covering themselves I’m sure .

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      spurs55 4 years ago

      just logged on

      murder comes to mind straightaway

      score up to now… punters 1 bookies 6
      😣😣😣😣😣
      nothing more to add i guess

  29. Avatar of Elvis Parsley
    elvis parsley 4 years ago

    KING GEORGE.

    Clan des oboex now 5-2, I’ve taken that, 7-4 yesterday but short but this considering his record in this is a fair price.

    Also in case there are fallers, pulled ups etc, had an each way bet on.
    Black op.

    Clan des oboex win 5-2.
    Black op 45-1 Betfair each way edge 5 places.

    Good luck today peeps….

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      put the free betfair fiver on big santini :D

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      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Be interesting to see how it all pans out with everyone’s educated guesses but kept everything sensible expecting the worse . Hope a few Manage to walk away with money in this game of torment

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      i know we’re not allowed to mention things like this but shan blue and santini for 12k :D

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Best of luck I hope you do win that

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      been a long time coming, had 20 on a 5fold couple years ago, had lost about 4k in 3 days, my bankroll went from 6000 to 600 in a week, turned down 800 cash out three days running with one to run, they all lost, went on an uncontrollable downward spiral.

      anyway, the first two horses won, was offered 256, had to go out to my sisters and given the bad run i snapped the offer up, needless to say when i got in, the next two horses had won, the 5fold was worth 18k and im guessing the cashout was 2-3k absolute minimum.. the 5th horse lost but wouldve cashed out, always stuck with me, not even going to look this time, i think the buzz of a 12k or nothing race is what i need right now haha, i can hear it now, AND HEAR COMES SANTINI

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Yeah your fortunes can change in an instant I’m this game . The wins come thick and fast but when your chasing a losing streak it seems to be a long drawn out affair knowing full well it ain’t your day. When it is your day you just need to jump on it ! Cash out is a night mare but if the last one was a fav to nail a decent profit I would cash out . But best of luck

  30. Avatar of SPURS55
    spurs55 4 years ago

    MY STRONG MAN

    next wetherby

    • Avatar of SPURS55
      spurs55 4 years ago

      4th✅

  31. Avatar of busstop.2018
    busstop.2018 4 years ago

    Great Start MOMELLA wins nicely

    GL ALL

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    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Well done ! The men showing the boys how it’s done again ha

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      Sore point 4 years ago

      Cracking start as well Killer Clown easy win

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      Sore point 4 years ago

      well done Busstop keep em coming

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      jimba 4 years ago

      Well done bus stop was on👍🎅🎄

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    spurs55 4 years ago

    Star Of Wells

    wolves

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      spurs55 4 years ago

      Splash Of Verve ew

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      spurs55 4 years ago

      2nd✅

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    spurs55 4 years ago

    KRYPTOS

    next at wolves

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      spurs55 4 years ago

      and

      Born To Be Alive

      ew

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    dazzman1979 4 years ago

    Well done Alan ! Couple of good shots on target ! Fair play to you

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    dazzman1979 4 years ago

    Ain’t it funny how the 2/9 fav loses . You would have to have more money than sense if you were to back that or even put it in an accumulator which is what they bank on to break the chain . Ha funny how all the pundits were saying no chance of losing now eating there words not the first time or the last I’m sure . Bet some poor buggers out there betted more then they can afford to lose on that one .

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      insider 4 years ago

      pundits treat us like mugs, they act like racing is similar to the oympics whilst we all know it’s the most deceptive sport going. frodon just breezed up and lydia reports it like she knew 6 months ago whilst her old mate bangs on about some bs perfect pacing lolololol…. are we meant to believe nicholls didn’t plan for frodon to win this??? if you believe he wasnt fully aware frodon would win (or at least beat his others in the race) you’re in denial.

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      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      I never backed them had my fingers burned to many times . I can see what they try and do make it look like a 50/50 bet between the front 2 in the market . It is a night mare of a sport . Makes a mockery of all your time and study when a bloke off the street could prob end up picking more than you . The folk the bookies have on board that create the market must be the best in the game to consistently batter us ha never mind think we are better off working for a living ha

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      the brokers who make the market are not anything special, they just rely on a huge amount of mug punters who do not look into this most deceptive of sports.

      the only way to win is look at the paper form for joe public. sadly in shop you get next to no information and checking out the horse on sporting life is the only way. i can teach someone to win at this game without even watching a single race, simply using the hcap system and general logic you can have a better chance at winning after 1 hour than a lifelong punter. they bet prices and famous names hoping for the best, theres so much dead money thrown around that the bookies do well, if u have a 50 point bankroll and dont mind slow steady profit, it is IMPOSSSSIBLE to lose. and i wont ever be dissuaded of that opinion.

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Sadly I lack patience and discipline ha but I have learned the hard way not to be so careless and have reigned things in a little . You should put your tips up it don’t matter if they lose everyone on here puts up losing bets.

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      i am not putting much study time in at the moment, and thus there is no point really posting for the sake of it, do not care about proving myself in this sphere so there is very little incentive, especially since random non-contributors can accuse me of mutli-accounting, and others can pretend to be dead and post as their father whilst recently, some of my messages have to be approved by a moderator… i mean, ive never put 23 out of 26 10th or worse tips up in a row like some but im nothing special by any means, anyone with the time to look using hcap system and knowing the right combos can do what i do. however, it seems im wasting a lot of time here so i might as well shut up and just post some horses or disappear completely, time will tell.

  36. Avatar of SPURS55
    spurs55 4 years ago

    Ten Thousand Stars

    wolves
    ew

  37. Avatar of SPURS55
    spurs55 4 years ago

    J GAYE
    wolves next
    gotta have a shot at that price

  38. Avatar of SPURS55
    spurs55 4 years ago

    INTUITIVE

    wolves

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    spurs55 4 years ago

    boy did the bookies make a mint out of the king george today !!!

  40. Avatar of Darren Sawyer
    dazzman1979 4 years ago

    Waiting patiently not a bad shout In the end . What a coincidence favs nowhere to be seen ha but I thought it was obv but fair play if anyone was on board

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      very nice finish from the horse, i was a follower since alan mentioned it a couple years ago, hope it won you a little…

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Cheers . I know what makes me more angry lumping on a fav or taking a chance . It’s called gambling at the end of the day so you should take a few chances as you say risk reward everyone is different in there method of attack . Don’t go winding dc up . Glad I had a hangover as I was going to do a big bet on that double which did nt look to risky but do you really thick the bookies would let a easy double like that slip through the net . Makes you wonder what goes on behind closed doors . They are racing for prize Money so if it can be more consistent and lucrative to do as your told then greed will probably provail ha

  41. Avatar of SPURS55
    spurs55 4 years ago

    Switch Hitter

    kempton

  42. Avatar of Jimmy Laing
    lossie jim 4 years ago

    Last two races at Kempton, Nicholls and Henderson have well backed favourites, both races won by other horses from their stables at 20/1 and 25/1, enough said!!

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      What a coincidence hey ha

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      feel a bit stupid not having a penny or even mentioning it tbh, not that i delved into it but, he’s a proven stayer when many weren’t. won on very nicely on his come back, had subsequent grade 3 winner 13l behind, had a nice little stroll a few weeks back to losen him up, hails from most likely to win yard. epitome of consistency, course form, multiple graded winner, great front running jumper.. excellent value indeed.

      people can call it after timer if they’re foolish, said i didnt mention or think about it, but we can only use hindsight to learn for next time, so its worth mentioning his credentials.. to highlight the fact he really was massively overpriced at 20s.

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Always go with your gut ignore the odds there only a guide and never play out the way they are suggesting . we would do the same in there shoes

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    spurs55 4 years ago

    SCANNING

    wincanton

  44. Avatar of albert rose
    azzthewigan 4 years ago

    above 4.o5

  45. Avatar of Darren Sawyer
    dazzman1979 4 years ago

    Alan had a good day if you managed to bet in a way that returned a profit .

  46. Avatar of albert rose
    azzthewigan 4 years ago

    Well done all winners today

  47. Avatar of Deb2000
    Deb2000 4 years ago

    I never had a bet in both races but hats off to Bryony & Adam wedge for 2 tactically perfect rides from the front to win 2 huge pots today 👍

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Lol I did tell others to have a good bet on it and it did nt look like to bad a pick it is what it is hope dc did nt lump to big but we have all done it and come unstuck sometimes it pays off sometimes it don’t

  48. Avatar of Double carpet
    double carpet 4 years ago

    Well done to all with winners today.
    Not to be for AF but I stand by my decision to have a big bet on him. I said he should be 4/6 and that was his sp in the end.
    He was the best horse in the race going right handed with going and distance perfect for him.
    99% won’t be going to Cheltenham so would have been primed for this race.
    GL

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    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      was a decent shout i didnt mean anything by it, by hopefully you got my side of things in terms of the value being skinny no point betting more than a usual stake, especially in a novice race.

  49. Avatar of Champion
    Champion 4 years ago

    50/1 ew. Worth havin!!!

  50. Avatar of busstop.2018
    busstop.2018 4 years ago

    Again I have 2 winners from 3 selections only one mention. .Not looking for attention but constantly I do this people o n this site have become more interested n beating each other than beating the bookies.And supporting the real people who give them winners.
    It has become more important to beat everyone else than beat the bookies and the thread has become really childish .
    Great site when it first started people out up a nap a nb and maybe a e/w and you knew people were studying and trying help each other now there’s nothing for the guys who are putting the time in .If you do well your ignored now cos people here now haven’t got the guts to be honest

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    • Avatar of Deb2000
      Deb2000 4 years ago

      busstop your different gravy at picking winners at the smaller meetings keep that up 👍
      A suppose the bigger races get more chit chat youv also quite clearly only got 1 account so you dont talk back and forward to yourself like others on here that everybody can see.
      Also because your hitting winners a certain person is not interested in you 👍
      Also another huge shout out for Mr consistent Alan Thomson 👏👏

    • Avatar of Elvis Parsley
      elvis parsley 4 years ago

      Fair play bus stop👍.
      Have given you a wee mention on tomorrow’s thread.
      I threw the towel in after your 2nd winner.
      Today was one strange day results wise wasn’t it.
      A typical Saturday you could say.
      I think you know I rate your jumps picks very highly.
      Just keep putting your tips up mate, people that know what’s what appreciate the time time you put in.
      You were very wise in picking outside the box today and avoiding the carnage of the big races.

      Look forward to your tips tomorrow.
      Onwards ➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      get over it busstop, either post to help people out or dont post, in the early days you cost me a bomb and id personally never even look at yours… but well done on the 2/3, very nice two at that.. but it is what it is, a free message board to post your tips up, go out on your own if you want some kudos from people….

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      any horses running right handed with one mount jockey’s on board tomorrow deb?? cheers

    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      I know I should nt but you do make me laugh I think your a bit misunderstood sometimes ha

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      i dont give af, silly person wants to keep wrongly slinging mud regarding fake accounts, then she deserves all she gets. is a troll account obvious to everyone, doesnt tip, read every post she’s done, 99% are criticising me. she told me off for not posting us a 1/2 shot, tells me i aftertime for pointing out useful information we can use for next time, then has the naivety to back a horse based on it being a jockeys only mount, nice one…

      can point your finger at me for derailing the thread all you like but compared to non-contributing wind up merchants, i think i offer a lot more.

    • Avatar of busstop.2018
      busstop.2018 4 years ago

      Insider/database. Tec .Like I said people can’t tell the truth but can constantly sulk when others do well. Shouldn’t be what were about.

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    • Avatar of Darren Sawyer
      dazzman1979 4 years ago

      Sticks and stones don’t worry about it . I can’t stop
      Laughing rog gave me a mental image of you dressed as a jester bells and winkle pickers and all haha. You seem like a smart fella you should post your picks and let your winners do the talking and at the same time helping out a few people along the way

    • Avatar of Deb2000
      Deb2000 4 years ago

      See insider that’s the difference you cant help yourself trying to tell people how to bet 99% after the bet has ran when everybody else just respects that everybody has there own opinions and people can pick whichever horses they want.
      You supposedly picked Santini today which on all known form couldn’t win the King George on good ground on a tight fast track like Kempton but did anybody dissect your pic No because nobody cares but if some1 else had picked it you would have wrote another book in reply to the person AFTER it had ran why I couldn’t win. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      i’ve ‘questioned’ peoples selections on very few occasions, i can’t remember the last time. there has always been a valid point to it and not out of spite, like how you dig me out.

      i dont tell people how to bet, i give good advice and people can either turn their noses up at it or take something from it. every pro suggests a bankroll, a level stake, if you want to go against that good luck to you.

      i put a 5er free bet on santini and had him in an acca sure. if you read my wall of text i said i will just enjoy watching it, cant pick a winner. didnt tip it up in the slightest, but even if i did, i preach to follow every one of my tips, to the same stake, and if you do that, you will win, so a loser doesn’t matter one bit, cheers.

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      as for busstop, idk what you mean tbh, you’re consistent and have definitely gotten better the last couple years compare to when i first came here. is it because of the advice i give out, probably yes (relax a joke for my fans) anyway, just keep up the good work, this site wouldnt be what it is without the unsung heroes, those who post everyday, elvis, azz, yourself, the silent majority im sure are appreciative, i know it sucks putting in so much time and getting absolutely no thanks for it, but at the end of the day like i said, its a free msg board and it is what it is, you probably get more mentions than most, but i understand the frustration 100%..

      i came back last few months posted maybe 20 tips, 18/1 12/1 11/1 winners to name a few, i havent mentioned them once, i havent posted a nice healthy points total to brag, i dont care about anything besides helping others so think what you like about me but the intentions are well placed. just keep up the good work, as i said, if regulars stop posting here and it was just alan, this place would be a joke… and thats why comments dont get disabled despite it being threatened all the time…

      this website buys its tips from alan thomson, he posts them on a few different pages, they are not specifically for us.. so its us who make this thread, not him.

      as for deb, try to draw a line under the multi-accounting nonesense, admin wont allow it and its clear to anyone with a brain i dont talk to myself, so move on so we can all move on and ill try to be more eloquent in future.

    • Avatar of Deb2000
      Deb2000 4 years ago

      Lol didnt take you long to forget about the reply am not really allowed to mention this but Shan blue and Santini for 12k 😂😂😂.
      Also you keep banging on about level stakes but then you post earlier you lost 4k in 3days 😂😂😂 your comedy gold.

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      cant win with this moron.

      yes i had FIVE FOLD ACCA, and needed those two for a big score… what is your point??????? given SHAN BLUE won at 7/4 and the other lost, to a level stake, thats profit, so now what is the problem.

      and once again, IF YOU COULD READ, i said A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, when i was even more wreckless…. i staked 100k in a year and im very small time, so yes again, what is your point??? why do you think i preach about level stake and safety first now?? YOU GUESSED IT, because ive been there done it and came back with my tail between my legs…

      you offer absolutely nothing and your banted isnt even intelligent, you’re embarrassing.

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      i said ”not allowed to mention it” as a dig at you, meaning i didnt post the five horses and shouldnt be saying anything now the first three won, because people like you will take exception, start posting tips yourself, if not you might start getting a few trolls a kin to what you are to me.

    • Avatar of Deb2000
      Deb2000 4 years ago

      Trolls 🤔🤔🤔 are they fake accounts people open ? read the site your a laughing stock. So your admitting digging me out instead of just putting up tips and leave people to bet how ever they want.
      Staked 100k for a 12 year old 😂😂I smell 💩💩

    • Avatar of insider
      insider 4 years ago

      https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=merchantsofprofit&set=a.631702647332608

      haters gonna hate, lovely super julius cruised how for 4k from a 5er, the good old days, enjoy your time here deb, i wont be interacting with you again.

    • Avatar of Deb2000
      Deb2000 4 years ago

      Lol anybody can put up winning slips but wheres the thousands of losers.
      Full of even money shots from middle of 2019 😂😂😂😂

  51. Avatar of Jonathan Lionel
    jono5000 4 years ago

    Well done all the winners today daz and bus good cheers

  52. Avatar of Darren Sawyer
    dazzman1979 4 years ago

    Race 9 Tampa bay downs – Betty grable 4/1

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