Jun 4: Johnb’s Racing Tips & Chat

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THE world’s greatest Flat race takes centre stage today with the Derby at Epsom. 

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Johnb says: “The more I look at the race and although it’s a weak Derby, Idaho just keeps looking stronger.

We have not seen this horse at anywhere near his best but will be fully wound up today. I have always said that Harzand is the danger but I still think he is more a St Leger horse.”

Johnb’s Saturday Tips

Epsom 4.30
Idaho 16-1 NB racebets

Musselburgh 4.55
Medina Sidonia 11-4 NAP racebets

Double
Idaho & Medina Sidonia 62.75-1 racebets

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78 Comments
  1. Profile photo of jimron12
    jimron12 6 months ago

    Has the comment been deleted!? Missed it been busy!! Arod defecting made a tad dent in the expected profits!!!

    Onto tomorrow lets bloody hope Idaho does the biz!!

    Also keen on a poet double tomo

    2.00 and 2.50

    Also
    Like to mention high grounds in he 2.00 was once to for a Derby tilt!!

    Going to have a saver on wings of desire just incase!!!

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      alan evfc 6 months ago

      Your “profits”? you told us to also lay minding which cost me a packet!! Your 5-2 winner eased the pain a bit though so thanks

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      tom carter 6 months ago

      Yes it was deleted jimron12 pretty sharpish too. Best that you didnt see it i think! lol

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        jimron12 6 months ago

        Water of a ducks back fella!!! The lay didn’t cost a lot to be fair!!
        That’s horse racing I was not the only one ready to lay her and wow was she impressive!!!

        Dare I I eat my humble pie and suggest a crack at the arc…….

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    ciaran1988 6 months ago

    7.10 Newcastle – La Havrese 11/2
    8.10 Newcastle – Muhaafiz 4/1

    June stats
    Tips – 8
    Points staked – 8
    Points returned – 13.41
    Profit – 5.41

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    elvis parsley 6 months ago

    Saturday NAP
    Mothers finest 5-10 Doncaster 5-2
    Stable had 8 wins in last couple of weeks or so.
    9lb clear on ratings, been running above his station recently.
    Down in grade quite a bit for this

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    xathra 6 months ago

    Morning all cartago 5/1 2.00 Epsom mukaynis 14/1 3.45 Epsom moonlight magic 12/1 epsom and yangtze 6/1 3.25 Musselburgh

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    jazzerbhoy 6 months ago

    Ground good to soft,but according to reports,the rain that was forecast won’t now happen. So drying ground come Derby off time. Good to soft good in places forecast.
    I liked deauville in the Dante, and at 14/1 good ew value.
    He spent a lot of energy in his defeat,in his last run,soft ground would be against him but the drying ground defiantly in his favour. He kept going which I liked.
    Johnb with Idaho looked well running on in the trial,so I think an ew on him also. 16/1 Good luck to all today.

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    wmgy 6 months ago

    Skybet paying 5 places at 1/5 of the odds which is pretty good in comparison to Hills who are only doing 3 places.

    Port Douglas for me.

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    Johnb 6 months ago

    Saturday’s Tips

    Epsom
    4:30
    Idaho 16/1 NB racebets

    Musselburgh
    4:55
    Medina Sidonia 11/4 NAP racebets

    Double
    Idaho & Medina Sidonia 62.75/1 racebets

    The more I look at the race and although it’s a weak Derby, Idaho just keeps looking stronger,
    We have not seen this horse at anywhere near his best but will be fully wound up today
    I have always said that Harzand is the danger but I still think he is more a St Leger horse

    Not going to say much about yesterday’s Oaks except it’s a joke what the pundits and connections are saying about Minding being their best ever,
    Tenth slowest time since 1904 and the sectionals were poor, finishing speed was average and all she did was run better than a lot of very average fillies

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    spursman 6 months ago

    As anyone tried, or got good results, with a place only Lucky 15? I like to try them but my knowledge of horses is pretty slim….that’s why i like to check out this thread :-)

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      ray_ez 6 months ago

      I used to do a 10p ew lucky 15. £3.00 total. You really need all four to get anything decent back. I reverted to lucky 15’s for wins only. Half the price and ew picking can be hit or miss.
      I’ll do ew doubles but anything more I found wasnt worth it. To be fair I’ve found myself doing singles a lot. That’s how it’s panning out for me so far. Good luck either way.

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    robinhood 6 months ago

    3.40 Doncaster BAROQUE Nap

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    denman 6 months ago

    Morning all
    3.40 Doncaster high baroque 7/2 nb
    3.45 Epsom maljaa 8/1
    5.15 Epsom duretto 4/1
    4.00 Musselburgh Alejandro 6/1 nap
    Good luck.

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    duncanpoundcake 6 months ago

    Ante Post always a dangerous game but I was pleasantly surprised to get Postponed @ 10/1 e/w for the Arc .
    Duretto 5.15 E
    Marsha 6.00 C
    glook

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    alanm 6 months ago

    NAP Blair House 2/1 2.15 Musselburgh
    NB Yangtze 3.25 Musselburgh
    Derby Pick Ulysses 9/1 EW GL

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    alanm 6 months ago

    Poets World is the off and running 5/2 2.00 Epsom

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    sheldy365 6 months ago

    3:40 Doncaster Life Less Ordinary 5/2 Nap has the best form on offer in this race

    9:10 Newcastle Roys Legacy 7/1 ew
    Looks worth an each way bet has won its last two races and reverts to the all weather off a lower mark than latest turf win. Claimer on board too

    GL to all for today

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    ew thief 6 months ago

    Morning all well done winners yesterday
    HIGH GROUNDS 2.00E 16/1
    SECOND STEP 3.10E 25/1
    CASPIAN PRINCE 3.45E 12/1
    BLUE SURF 5.15E 12/1
    ALL EW GL ALL

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    thehawk 6 months ago

    Nap Push Me 8.10 Newcastle
    Nb Flexible Flyer 7.50 Ling

    Good Luck Folks

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    buildamarly 6 months ago

    i know its short but can anyone give me positives on NEXT STAGE DONCASTER 5:40?

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    idle days 6 months ago

    Great day yesterday, 30/1 forecast, 8/1 & 9/4 winners.

    Can’t wait for today’s racing hoping these few tips will make it profitable too:

    5:30 Impulsive American 11/8
    2.00 Poets World 5/2
    3.50 dynamic drive 7/1 e/w
    4.00 Alejandro 11/2

    Good luck to all having a bet.

    Idle

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    robinhood 6 months ago

    I’m going for HARZAND in the big race and agree with alanm on POETS WORD in the first.

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    the notorious 6 months ago

    Harzand napped by the RP today, any more rain would be welcome

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    cow786 6 months ago

    ray ez
    the best bet for you to do is e/w accas
    with (stakes equally divided)
    you can do this in shops only
    i cannot do it online
    this way you get rewarded if any finish 1st

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      ray_ez 6 months ago

      Good info dude. Been burned once with a four way acca online and vowed never again. 👍

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    duncanpoundcake 6 months ago

    Brave Spartacus 3.50 Hexam GL.

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    cow786 6 months ago

    chevalier du lac 3/1 250m
    shabeeb 6/5 415d
    mothers finest 5/2 510d
    keltus 13/8 205h
    sayana 8/11 235d
    5 4 3 and 2 folds

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    dont give a donald 6 months ago

    Posted on yesterdays thread by mistake

    ALEJANDRO Mus 4.00

    BOSS DES MOTTES Hex 3.50

    DISPOUR Wor 4.05

    HARZAND EP 4.30 oaks great e/w at 10 or 11/1 in my opinion

    Be lucky

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    alex 6 months ago

    Done my head in reading about this Derby and trying to work it out. It is wide open and has to be worth a couple of e/w bets even if I am already on Idaho. Harzand has been seeing money and it seems that the noises from the Weld camp have increased in the last 14 days so I have hopped on at 10/1 E/W although that price has shortened again. I looked at Massaat for a long time and actually see it staying on despite everything I have read however that will not be enough and I see something faster coming from off the pace. Another that I backed a few weeks ago in the handicaps is Red Verdon who has recorded some good times, its on that basis that it must have a chance. Currently trading at 33/1 it is worth a small e/w bet, I have opted for Skybet who pays for 5 places @ 25/1. Best of luck.

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      rookie 6 months ago

      HT has tipped harzand today which could explain why the money has come for it.

      I also read that 15 of the last 15 winners won at 7/1 or less

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        alex 6 months ago

        rookie could be that as well as the confidence of connections. Also that race with Idaho where Harzand ate up the ground and won convincingly. The SPs for the last 10 winners were 13/8, 11/8, 7/1, 8/13, 4/1, 6/1, 11/4, 5/1, 5/4 and 6/1 not sure of the prices for the rest of the field but given today’s open Derby it could well be a larger price.

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    u2me413 6 months ago

    John what about the 1 2 3 for the derby if I recall u had the tricast last year

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    double carpet 6 months ago

    Epsom

    2.00 Poets Word
    Derby Cloth of Stars 8/1 ew

    Mussel

    2.15 Blair House
    3.25 Dal Harraild ew
    4.55 Hallingham

    Best of luck to all

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    fish for tea 6 months ago

    Epsom 2.00 Cartago
    4.30 Moonlight Magic e/w

    Muss 1.40 Ordinal
    3.25 St Michel

    Good Luck

  29. Profile photo of jimron12
    jimron12 6 months ago

    Derby tricast

    Idaho
    Wings of desire
    Harzand

    Worth a few bob!!

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    fish for tea 6 months ago

    great start ORDINAL wins 5/2 Playing with the bookies money now

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    Johnb 6 months ago

    Derby 1-2-3

    1st IDAHO
    2nd SHOGUN
    3rd WINGS OF DESIRE

    Might surprise people that I have left Harzand out but after his problems this morning I can’t have him and he might not even run and he shouldn’t run

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      Johnb 6 months ago

      At 50/1 Shogun is far too big a price

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        gengar 6 months ago

        wht problem for harzand john ? i had a single on him too now im just relying on idaho run his best race looks capable of it so fingers crossed

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      alex 6 months ago

      problems?

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        Johnb 6 months ago

        Spread a plate earlier and been bleeding, they say if they see any lameness then he won’t run

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          alex 6 months ago

          Thanks John, 60:40 according Weld, foot on ice and really depends on when they put the shoe back on. Horse was walking fine with shoe off. From the Racing Post “Weld said: “He spread a plate ever so slightly. We have taken the plate off and his foot is in a bucket of ice. We didn’t do any damage taking the shoe off so we would be very hopeful.

          “He was a little bit sore while the shoe was being removed. The good news was when he walked off the box he walked perfectly sound without his shoe on. Then we put it in hot fomentation to clean it then put it in ice. It’s just when you put the shoe back on.”

          Weld, seeking his first Derby triumph, added: “Nearer to the time of the race [4.30] he will examined by one of the vets and myself and if we are happy he will run and if we are not he won’t run. I’d say it’s 60-40 that he will run.”

          He added: “He is in superb order and will love the ground and is trained for the day but these freak things happen.”

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    stubhoy 6 months ago

    Epsom Double
    ***********
    2.35 Sayana 4/7
    3.10 Postponed 11/10

    Epsom Lucky 15
    ***********
    3.45 Maljaa
    4.30 Cloth of Stars
    5.15 Karraar
    5.50 Ashpan

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    alex 6 months ago

    Musselburgh 16:00 Ralphy Boy 16/1 E/W drifting in the market but well weighted, something to fill some time before the Derby.

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    jazzerbhoy 6 months ago

    Idaho sweating badly problem?

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    jimron12 6 months ago

    Heff should of let him go when he wanted!!! First run on that would of been a winner!!! Either way good day!!

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    dont give a donald 6 months ago

    get in Harzand great day took 11/1 and 10/1 finished 13/2

  37. Profile photo of alex
    alex 6 months ago

    Absolutely hammered that and had a decent bet each way. Unlucky with Idaho John, place money not to be sniffed at 25/1 :)

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    ray_ez 6 months ago

    Harzand and idaho EW singles. Thanks guys. 👍

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    gengar 6 months ago

    yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees JB ty harzand 25 quid at 20/1 wooooo

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    jazzerbhoy 6 months ago

    Well done to the Derby winner, great team effort to get the horse ready after the problems this morning.
    Well done johnb on the ew shout Idaho also.

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    wn 6 months ago

    wooohooo great Derby day. Glad I took your Harzand suggestion as an actual tip.

    Would have been ecstatic if Idaho won but this will do nicely!

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    rookie 6 months ago

    I hope dougie was on harzand! Our resident smullen/weld expert!

    Some cracking tips e/w thief! Gl with the last

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    rookie 6 months ago

    Thanks johnb. I got on idaho e/w at 25s.

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    robinhood 6 months ago

    Shared Equity in the last at Epsom 😉

  45. Profile photo of alex
    alex 6 months ago

    For picking the winner in the Derby Betfair reward me with a free bet of £20, going e/w on Karraar in the 5:15. Taking my winnings and we go again tomorrow.

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    6 months ago

    Has the Derby Circus rolled out of town yet?

    6:05 Worcester – THOONAVOLLA (NAP) @ 2/1
    6:20 Lingfield – Shufoog (NB) @ 2/1
    6:30 Leopardstown – Sir Isaac Newton (NNB) @ 2/1

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    duncanpoundcake 6 months ago

    Just catching up with what I missed today (shopping) Postponed wow!
    If Carlsberg……..

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    Johnb 6 months ago

    It seems Golden Horn is still getting a tough time on here and last years Derby field can not be compared to yesterdays Oaks field

    You need to look at Golden Horns sectionals, after his debut run his times were so good that he was classed as at least listed class and that is exceptional after only one run,
    When you break the numbers down the finishing speed of Golden Horn was 114%
    To put that into reality, the average finishing speed is 111%
    Australia was 111.6%

    And to top it all off, only two horses in Derby history have run the race quicker
    Yes you can only beat what is in front of you but the greats impress on the clock and Golden Horn was given the tag of “something out of the ordinary” long before his Arc win

    The clock doesn’t lie

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    duncanpoundcake 6 months ago

    Timeform rated Golden Horn after his Arc at 133 as a 3 yo ,Postponed before today at 130 at 5yo so that alone tells you the Horn was special but Sea the Stars 140 the best we have seen in recent years . I can go back a long way and Brigadier Gerrard was the best I’ve seen but I didn’t see Sea Bird .

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    duncanpoundcake 6 months ago

    Well done today Johnb

    BBC 1 ,9.30 “The Greatest” let’s hope its a fitting tribute to the great man.

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    chilleden 6 months ago

    Some great tipping today – great to see the thread buzzing again! Great tip for Harzand thank you.

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    ronjim21 6 months ago

    good day today everyone!!!!!!! i even had a 10£ accy that payed 975£ sorry i didnt post it!! sorry i get so excited with all these exclamation marks!!!!

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    arsie 6 months ago

    Thanks for d idaho tip jb been backin it for months wit few euro e/w every week . The win would have been sweet , but il take d e/w at them odds anyday . Whens d next antepost tips due in? :-)

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    duncanpoundcake 6 months ago

    Sheldy Thank You !

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    Johnb 6 months ago

    June 12 points down

    Sunday’s Tips

    Goodwood

    2:20
    Choral Festival 11/4 NB racebets

    2:55
    Pettochside 11/4 NAP racebets

    Double
    Choral Festival & Pettochside 13.06/1 racebets

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